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No. 9: Oregon

How do you rebound from failure? That question is being asked at Alabama, where the Crimson Tide are using last year’s Iron Bowl loss as prime motivation heading into 2011, and at Nebraska, where the Cornhuskers are attempting to do the same with a two-game losing streak to end a once-promising 2010 campaign. Nowhere, however, is the question being asked more earnestly than in Eugene, where the Ducks had their quest for perfection derailed by Cam Newton, Nick Fairley and company last Jan. 10. Losses like that — especially national title game losses — can push a team in one of two directions: up, as a source of motivation, or down, as the team fails to shake off the cobwebs while the loss lingers and lingers. The onus is on Chip Kelly and his staff to ensure that the Auburn loss does the former for Oregon, not the latter. But history is not entirely on Oregon’s side.

Conference
Pac-12, North

Location
Eugene, Ore.

Nickname
Ducks

Returning starters
10 (5 offense, 5 defense)

Last year’s ranking
No. 8

2010 record
(12-1, 9-0)

Last year’s
re-ranking

No. 3

2011 schedule

  • Sept. 3
    L.S.U. (in Arlington, Tex.)
  • Sept. 10
    Nevada
  • Sept. 17
    Missouri St.
  • Sept. 24
    at Arizona
  • Oct. 6
    California
  • Oct. 15
    Arizona St.
  • Oct. 22
    at Colorado
  • Oct. 29
    Washington St.
  • Nov. 5
    at Washington
  • Nov. 12
    at Stanford
  • Nov. 19
    U.S.C.
  • Nov. 26
    Oregon St.

Last year’s prediction

And so I wrap up the Pac-10. Why is Oregon the favorite? Because of this offense, for starters, which despite losing its starting quarterback remains the most potent in the conference. Depth can be found all along the offense, though slightly less so at wide receiver. Now, as for Oregon’s national title hopes: I don’t think they’re very strong. I think the Ducks will drop one game, maybe two, though in my mind, they are the clear top dog in the Pac-10. What if U.S.C. was eligible for a Rose Bowl berth? Wouldn’t matter: Oregon’s the best team in the Pac-10, and will return to Pasadena for the second consecutive year. It will be a rematch of this past January should Ohio State not reach the national championship; if the Buckeyes do advance, it will be Oregon and Iowa, perhaps Wisconsin.

2010 recap

In a nutshell How to run an offense in 10 plays or less: it’s not about quantity but quality, espouses Chip Kelly, and it’s more about speed, speed, speed than time of possession. The latter category? Overrated. Oregon ended 2010 ranked 106th nationally in time spent with the ball, controlling its own fate offensively for less than 28 minutes per game. Make it count, says Kelly — and Oregon listens. In a perfect world, it seems, Oregon’s drives on offense would take one play, last 20 seconds, encompass 80 yards and end with a score. Good morning, good afternoon and good night. More often than not, however, the drives take — gasp — seven or eight plays, last three or four minutes and end with a touchdown. Not that others don’t try to do the same thing, or that others couldn’t do the same on occasion: it’s just that Oregon isn’t beholden to one star player, but rather excels because of a system and a philosophy that breeds confidence. That mentality drives this team, propelling the Ducks through the sort of in-game setbacks that might derail a weaker team. This all held true through 12 games. Then, in the 13th game, the Ducks came up short.

High point Stanford is the best win on paper. U.S.C. might have felt the best: the Trojans had swagger, barking and braying all week about how they could take down Oregon, and even hung with the Ducks before the inevitable second half collapse. Like Auburn, Oregon’s regular season was one long, continuous high point.

Low point Auburn 22, Oregon 19.

Tidbit Oregon’s 2010 offense, by the numbers. First nationally in total offense (530.7 yards per game), scoring (47.0 points per game) and first downs per game (26.6). Fourth in rushing (287.6 yards per game), 39th in passing (243.1 yards per game), 14th in pass efficiency (151.5), tied for 12th in passing touchdowns (31), fourth in sacks allowed (0.7 per game) and 29th in third down conversions (44.9 percent). Sixth in terms of plays of 10 or more yards (239), fifth in plays of 20 or more yards (82), tied for third in plays of 30 or more yards (41), tied for second in plays of 40 or more yards (21), tied for sixth in plays of 50 or more yards (13) and fourth in plays of 60 or more yards (nine). That’s all.

Tidbit (150-word preview edition) Today’s guest writer is loyal reader Eksynyt, whose correct answer to a quiz in the East Carolina preview, which you can find along the right sidebar, earned him the opportunity to pen a 100-word preview of his favorite team. His team? The Oregon Duckss. Take it away, Eksynyt:

The key to Oregon getting back to the Natty is the lines on both sides of the ball.  If they both come together by the time the Ducks play LSU, then there is every possibility that Oregon will get back to the National Championship, though we have seen through the years that it is extremely difficult to make it there two years in a row.  Oregon’s rise to the national elite in college football in a 17 year span is truly remarkable, though I feel that no one will remember it if the Ducks are unable to win it all.

Tidbit (runner-up edition) So what does history tell us about teams coming off championship game losses during the B.C.S. era? Most notably, only one team, Florida State in 1999, bounced back from a loss — to Tennessee in 1998 — to take home the next year’s national title. Others have returned to the B.C.S. championship game, but the record has been spotty. I don’t count Tennessee in 1998 since the B.C.S. didn’t exist in 1997. Here’s a look since 1999:

1999, Florida State 12-0, won B.C.S. championship
2000, Virginia Tech 11-1, won Gator Bowl
2001, Florida State 8-4, won Gator Bowl
2002, Nebraska 7-7, lost Independence Bowl
2003 Miami (Fla.) 11-2, co-Big East champs
2004 Oklahoma 12-1, lost B.C.S. championship game
2005 Oklahoma 8-4, won Holiday Bowl
2006 U.S.C. 11-2, Pac-12 champs
2007 Ohio State 11-2, lost B.C.S. championship game
2008 Ohio State 10-3, lost Fiesta Bowl
2009 Oklahoma 8-5, won Sun Bowl
2010 Texas 5-7, missed bowl play

So there you go. Florida State set the tone for comebacks in 1999, but only two teams in the years since have returned to the B.C.S. title game, let alone won a national championship. Texas is the low point, but the Longhorns were in a different boat — new starters, poor coaching. Nebraska had to replace a Heisman winner in Eric Crouch.

Former players in the N.F.L.

34 DT Brandon Bair (Kansas City), RB LeGarrette Blount (Tampa Bay), S Jerome Boyd (Oakland), S Jairus Byrd (Buffalo), S Patrick Chung (New England), QB Kellen Clemens (Washington), WR D.J. Davis (Atlanta), TE Ed Dickson (Baltimore), QB Dennis Dixon (Pittsburgh), QB A.J. Feeley (St. Louis), CB Talmadge Jackson (Baltimore), RB Jeremiah Johnson (Denver), CB Javes Lewis (Kansas City), WR Jeff Maehl (Houston), LB Casey Matthews (Philadelphia), RB Maurice Morris (Detroit), NT Haloti Ngata (Baltimore), DE Igor Olshansky (Dallas), LB Spencer Paysinger (New York Giants), DE Nick Reed (Chicago), TE Dante Rosario (Denver), LB Geoff Schwartz (Carolina), OT Adam Snyder (San Francisco), RB Jonathan Stewart (Carolina), OT Bo Thran (San Diego), CB Walter Thurmond (Seattle), DT Matt Toeaina (Chicago), DT Will Tukuafu (San Francisco), OT Fenuki Topou (Philadelphia), C Max Unger (Seattle), S T.J. Ward (Cleveland), WR Demetrius Williams (Cleveland).

Arbitrary top five list

College football rivalries west of Rockies
1. Civil War (Oregon and Oregon State).
2. Holy War (B.Y.U. and Utah).
3. The Big Game (California and Stanford).
4. Victory Bell (U.C.L.A. vs. U.S.C.).
5. Apple Cup (Washington and Washington State).

Coaching

Chip Kelly (New Hampshire ’90), 22-4 after two seasons as the Oregon head coach. He inherited an enviable position: a program still in its prime with a deep, talented roster well suited to his offensive system. But with this position came high expectations, thanks to his predecessor’s level of success. Still, a large portion of Oregon’s success prior to last fall (29-10 from 2007-9) must be attributed to the job Kelly did with the offense, which rose from merely explosive to the most dangerous dual-threat attack in the country. Each of the past three years has seen Oregon set new school records in scoring, and the 2008 Ducks set new school marks in rushing touchdowns (47) and total touchdowns (71). The 2007 season, however, may have been Kelly’s best work; the Ducks went through four starting quarterbacks over their final four games but still managed to finish sixth nationally in rushing and lead the Pac-10 in scoring and total offense. The following year’s unit showed just what the offense is capable of with the proper personnel; ditto with 2009, ditto with 2010 — particularly last fall. Kelly’s experience prior to being hired at Oregon came at New Hampshire, of the F.C.S., where he began as running backs coach before moving to offensive coordinator in 1999. Like at Oregon, the results at his alma mater were spectacular. The Wildcats averaged at least 400 yards of total offense in seven of his eight seasons as coordinator (1999-2006) and scored more than 30 points per game in each of his final four years. Were eyebrows raised when Kelly was tabbed by Bellotti as his next offensive coordinator? Not by those aware of what Kelly had accomplished at New Hampshire, nor by those intrigued by how his offense would play on the F.B.S. level with top-tier athletes. The results, as stated, have been nothing short of stunning. Kelly has been superb since day one.

Players to watch

If not Texas A&M, then Oregon has the nation’s best backfield. Forget about the whole one-two combination thing: Oregon may have the nation’s best backfield merely with junior LaMichael James, who enters 2011 looking to improve upon what he achieved last fall, if that’s possible. All James did was the following: earn first-team all-America honors, land a trip to the Heisman ceremony, lead the nation in rushing (1,731 yards), score 24 touchdowns, rush for at least 100 yards nine times — despite missing the season opener — rush for at least 200 yards three times and, plain and simple, tear apart the opposition. Oregon has led the Pac-12 in rushing for five years in a row; don’t look for that to change in the least in 2011.

Can James really do better than he did last fall? He might, should he find a way to remain healthy. James wasn’t quite the same after injuring his ankle in a narrow win over California: while he remained productive over the final two games of the regular season, James wasn’t nearly as dangerous as he was in September and October. If James remains healthy, he’s clearly a threat for 2,000 yards and an easy pick for repeat appearances on the all-America list and for a trip to Manhattan in December. Picking up the slack when James tires is junior Kenjon Barner (589 yards, 6 scores), who will take center stage once James departs after this fall, as most have suggested he will. Want some more? True freshman De’Anthony Thomas will demand touches, if early results are any indication, and the Ducks have another talented true freshman at their disposal in Tra Carson.

Not to knock the junior in the least, but Oregon’s lone defeat came when the offense relied mainly on quarterback Darron Thomas — after attempting no more than 33 attempts in each game during the regular season, Thomas put the ball up 40 times in Oregon’s loss to Auburn. In a perfect world, Thomas would do the following: feed off the running game, attempt between 25 and 32 passes, not make mistakes and take advantage of the number of opportunities in the running game. He did all that and more as a first-year starter, ending the year with 2,863 yards passing with 30 scores against 9 picks with another 486 yards on the ground. A bit lost in the shuffle with all his surrounding talent, Thomas was one of the great stories of the Pac-10 season. And he’ll be better in 2011.

Remember when Thomas was a bit of a surprise starter heading into last fall? I do. And any issues about Oregon’s situation under center were answered quickly and firmly by the time the Ducks took down Stanford on Oct. 4, a game that saw Thomas complete 20 of 29 attempts for 238 yards and 3 scores while adding another 117 yards on the ground. That’s what Thomas is capable of achieving on a weekly basis if given the opportunity. More than any other member of this team, Thomas seems like someone who will ultimately benefit from the bowl loss to the Tigers: he played very well as a youngster in a very tough spot, and you can’t put a value on that sort of experience. It’ll come in handy in the season opener.

The top three at receiver are set in stone: senior Lavasier Tuinei (36 catches for 396 yards), sophomore Josh Huff (19 for 303) and junior Justin Hoffman. The Ducks entered and will leave August with that threesome in place, though you should look for Barner and De’Anthony Thomas to get some snaps at receiver on occasion. Tuinei will probably be the most productive receiver in terms of receptions, but Huff’s potential is absolutely off the charts. He flashed his talent at times last fall, showcasing big-play ability, but look for several highlight reel moments with increased playing time. JUCO transfer Rahsaan Vaughn will be one of the first receivers off the bench, with Nick Cole, Daryle Hawkins and former walk-on Ben Butterfield also in the mix along the second grouping. It’ll be tough to replace a Jeff Maehl, but the Ducks do have talent to work with.

And there’s always senior tight end David Paulson (24 for 418), who should occupy a more substantial role as Thomas’s third-down security blanket without Maehl on the outside. Paulson, a second-team all-conference pick in 2010, has the potential for a huge final season: think double the catches and substantially more yards receiving, perhaps putting him in line for national award consideration come December. His understudy in 2011 will be freshman Colt Lyera, a local product with an immense skill set. He’ll share time with a few other backup options before taking on a key role in 2012.

Hey, you need to understand that Oregon’s not just about this offense; the defense was nearly as stingy as the offense was prolific, and after finishing 2010 with its best performance of the year the defense is itching for a crack at L.S.U. on Sept. 3. What makes the Oregon defense special? Part of the program’s recent success can be tied into a consistent message from a veteran coaching staff, but last year’s group was defined by its superb depth, which will be tested a bit in the quest to replace six starters lost to graduation.

The losses are felt most painfully along the defensive line, which like its offensive counterpart must replace three senior contributors. And the defense will continue to use as much of the 4-3 as the 3-4, placing further emphasis on locating a new starting lineup. But any concerns are assuaged upon taking a glance at the two-deep, which is heavy on experience — not a lot of starting experience, but still — deep on talent, long on versatility and loaded with young talent. Seniors will again hold starting roles: Terrell Turner (33 tackles, 2.5 sacks) and Brandon Hanna (18 tackles, 2 sacks) will replace Kenny Rowe and Brandon Bair at end after landing major snaps as reserves in 2010.

Depth at end comes in junior Dion Jordan (33 tackles, 2 sacks), who will receive greater national attention once he claims the role of Oregon’s top pass rusher. Redshirt freshman Tony Washington will also be in the mix, should he remain healthy. There are a few injury concerns inside as well. Sophomores Wade Kelikipi and Ricky Heimuli should start eventually, but until both return to 100 percent capacity it’ll be Taylor Hart and Isaac Remington in the starting lineup. That does give the indication that depth isn’t a concern; it becomes even less of a concern when you see JUCO transfer Jared Ebert pushing that quartet for snaps. Once again, Oregon should be able to put forth a line rotation that goes eight or nine deep.

There are weapons missing at linebacker. One is Casey Matthews, who always seemed to make plays, but the Ducks will also sorely miss Spencer Paysinger — the two finished first and third, respectively, in tackles. The lone returning starter is senior strong side linebacker Josh Kaddu (32 tackles, 6.5 for loss), who started all of last season and most of 2009 before being lost to injury. Who joins him in the starting lineup? Michael Clay’s an easy choice to replace Paysinger on the weak side after being the group’s top reserve last fall. But there’s a pretty significant hole in the middle, one that could be filled by Kiko Alonso should he be reinstated to the team following an early summer suspension. Until then, Oregon will call on Dewitt Stuckey and hope for the best. Linebacker looks like the biggest weakness on the team.

And the secondary? Oregon knows exactly what its going to get here: stoppers. And interceptions, 21 of them a year ago, tied for sixth in the nation. But the Ducks won’t have potential all-American cornerback Cliff Harris for the season opener against L.S.U., which is a concern for that particular game. Redshirt freshman Terrance Mitchell has cemented a starting role for that game, opposite returning starter Anthony Gildon, a senior. One note about Harris: he’s well worth the price of admission. Nothing has changed in the least at safety, where both John Boyette (78 tackles, 5 picks) and Eddie Pleasant (65 tackles) are back in the fold. Harris will be missed for a week, but once he returns Oregon should again have one of the nation’s best backfields.

Position battle(s) to watch

Offensive line It’s not quite rebuilding, but the Ducks head into 2011 without three key linemen in Bo Thran, C.E. Kaiser and Jordan Holmes. Oregon has been in this boat before, most notably in 2009, when the line was rebuilt over the summer and struggled in the early going before finding its rhythm down the stretch. It won’t be that bad in 2011, not when the Ducks return three figures with starting experience: left tackle Darion Weems, right tackle Mark Asper and left guard Carson York, one of the Pac-12’s best. That’s a nice solid base upon which to build an offensive line, particularly on the left side of the line. And there is more than adequate depth at Oregon’s disposal as it looks to find two new starters and a handful of reserves. As of today, the two new starters are a bit of a surprise. Redshirt freshman Hroniss Grasu will get first crack at center after a strong spring and early fall camp. Grasu wasn’t really pushed by sophomore Karrington Armstrong or former missionary Hamani Stevens; for the latter, it may be a year before he regains the form that made him a top recruit in 2008. Former walk-on Ramsen Golpashin stands ahead of Everett Benyard at right guard, though I wonder why the Ducks don’t audition junior Nick Cody in that spot — he may end up instead behind Asper at right tackle. But Cody can provide great depth as a swing lineman at both spots on the right side. One thing in Golpashin’s favor is his experience in the system, as he’s entering his fourth year in Kelly’s fast-paced offense. He, and along with York, could help Grasu ease into his new starting role.

Game(s) to watch

Man, that L.S.U. game is going to be something. I doff my hat at both the Ducks and Tigers for not being scared of taking on a national title contender in September, let alone the first weekend of September. That game means everything, though the game with Stanford remains crucial whether the Ducks win or lose to the Tigers. And don’t sleep on the Civil War, which remains one of the five best rivalry games in college football.

Season breakdown & prediction

In a nutshell So I don’t think Oregon is going to earn a second straight berth in the B.C.S. National Championship Game. Nor do I even think the Ducks are going to repeat as Pac-12 champs, though the gap between the Ducks and Stanford is so razor-thin as to leave me playing only a hunch, not any real sense of separation between the pair. I do think Oregon will lose the season opener to L.S.U., which for all intents and purposes ends its national title hopes. It’s unfortunate, but no one-loss team outside the SEC is going to play for a national title. And so I’ve played my negative card; let’s look at the overwhelming positives. The offense is absolutely superb — beyond superb, somewhere around superb to the second power. After playing at an all-conference level as a first-year starter last fall, you’re going to see an even better Darron Thomas in 2011. James is one of the nation’s best regardless of position. The receiver corps has a blossoming star in Huff, a great intermediate option in Paulson and a proven target in Tuinei. Defensively, Oregon can again tout strong depth along the line, both at end and at tackle, and once Huff returns the secondary will be the best in the Pac-12. So really, why here? Because I think this team is due to take a subtle step back. Part of this is thanks to some uncertainty along the offensive line. Another concern is a linebacker corps that lost two productive senior leaders. Basically, I think Oregon is just a little worse than it was in 2010 — enough of a drop to go from 12-0 to 10-2, if not 11-1 and atop the Pac-12. I’m giving Stanford the edge, but it’s an awfully tight race.

Dream season Forget those concerns: Oregon’s back in the B.C.S. title game, this time at 13-0 thanks to the Pac-12′s new championship game.

Nightmare season The little things add up for Kelly and the Ducks, who slide to 9-3, two games behind Stanford in the Pac-12 North.

In case you were wondering

Where do Oregon fans congregate? Those looking for message board chatter and a helpful dose of recruiting can find both in spades at Ducks Sports Authority and eDuck. For a blog’s take, check out Addicted to Quack and The U.O. Sports Dude. Additional coverage can be found at the Web sites of The Eugene Register-Guard and The Oregonian. And Duck Sports Now has all the links you’ll find above in one convenient place.

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  1. RVa says:

    In 1992, Edgar Martinez batted .343 for the last place Seattle Mariners, while the Hokies went 2-8-1 and were outscored 282-270.

    Virginia Tech is up next

  2. Eksynyt says:

    Great writeup Paul. I agree completely, 10-2 seems like it’s in the cards.

  3. Wizardhawk says:

    No return trip for Thug U. They lack discipline clearly. The off field stuff may be small, but shows a lack of understanding who they are and why they are there. You don’t sleep in the back of a vehicle going 118mph with police chasing unless you are stoned. Kids will be kids, but these thugs are over cocky and I really doubt they put in the same effort the rest of the conference did.

    Not only do they lose to LSU, but they lose an upset game somewhere because the players lose focus.

    That 1917 date is safe for another year.

  4. Scudderfan says:

    Excellent work, as usual, Paul. A few things to note about the Ducks – especially the noted week areas: OL, DL, and LB corps all rotated many players in last year, so the returning vs new starter metric can be missleading (although the leadership of Matthews and Paysinger will be missed). If Alonso gets his act together, he will be a beast.

    Also, Chip Kelly disagrees with your assessment of run/pass balance with Thomas running the show – he described some remorse in not throwing more often in the NCG. And given a younger receiving corps, I expect more two back (LMJ and Barner) and RB slot/ bubble screen options with Barner and DeAnthony Thomas (who has absolutely wowed at camp) formations this year.

    I haven’t thought much past LSU, but they’re breaking in some young DL guns themselves. I won’t be a bit surprised if we pass early to set up the run, and not the opposite you suggest.

  5. Scudderfan says:

    Wizardhawk – I don’t usually feed the trolls but your ignorance (or intentional ‘adjustment’) of the incident in question deserves a response.

    Thomas was in the front seat, not the back, it was an hour or two before dawn ( a fine time to be sleeping in the passenger seat, IMO), and there was no chase – they pulled over immediately. DT denied smoking pot, and was hitching a ride with Cliff back to Eugene from Portland, so didn’t participate in any earlier ‘extracurricular activities’ with the other passengers.

    If you’d ever driven that stretch of I-5 (I have, scores of times) you wouldn’t be questioning sleeping – now that the smell of the paper mill is gone, there isn’t much to keep you awake. Go back under your bridge now, and take your copy of SportsByTMZ with you.

  6. James says:

    Nice write up, but a HUGE whiff with “Linebacker looks like the biggest weakness on the team.”

    Kaddu, Lokombo, Clay and Alonso are the best group of LBs Oregon has had in a decade.

    Paul: Appreciate the point of view, but I’m not calling Kaddu, his backup on the strong side, last year’s fourth linebacker and a guy who may not play a down all year the best group Oregon had had in a decade. If they can be as good as Matthews and Paysinger were last fall I think Oregon would be happy.

  7. Wizardhawk says:

    Scudder, the officer smelled pot the moment he reached the vehicle. You can tell yourself that your star QB didn’t partake, but at the very least he was breathing it in while taking his innocent nap. Get back to reality.

    Wasn’t that at least the third time he has been in a vehicle that was pulled over? You are the company you keep and it is clear what kind of kids these are. If you prefer to take pride in how they conduct themselves then good for you. It is what I expect from UO fans anyway.

  8. benzduck says:

    Good writeup Paul. But..

    Did you consider *why* those BCS-game-losing teams drop off the next year? Across the board, they were loaded with seniors or draft-eligible talent at the skill positions. The players didn’t stick around for another try, or if they did, they didn’t contribute.

    Last year Texas lost Colt McCoy (Heisman finalist). A year earlier, Bradford (Heisman) was coming off a BCS season but tore his ACL in the first game; bye bye Sooners. In 2007 Ohio State didn’t have Troy Smith (Heisman). Matt Leinart (Heisman) left USC after 2005. All Oklahoma lost after 2004 was Jason White (2003 Heisman) and Adrian Peterson (2004 finalist).

    The U in 2003? Say goodbye to Dorsey and McGahee (Heisman finalists), along with Andre Johnson and Sean Taylor. No Eric Crouch (Heisman) for Nebraska in 2002, hello Independence Bowl. Chris Weinke at FSU? Heisman and gone by 2001. Michael Vick was 3rd in Heisman voting as a freshman in 1999, but his injury in midseason cost the Hokies a return shot in 2000.

    Get the drift here? *All* those teams had Heisman finalists and winners and/or guys who were in the NFL the next season. They either couldn’t or wouldn’t stick around for the old college try, or were too banged up to pull it off.

    Oregon returns its entire starting backfield, including its Heisman finalist from 2010. If the Ducks don’t get back to the BCS game this season, it won’t be for lack of talent.

    And it won’t be because of some imaginary BCS-loser jinx.

  9. Eksynyt says:

    Wizardhawk, why are you so quick to dis Oregon and bring up the Meaningless last Rose Bowl win we had. Especially since we won the Fiesta Bowl in 2001 and have won 3 outright PAC titles more recently than UW has. Plus we’ve owned you for 7 straight years. Get over it, we’re better than you.

  10. 1917 says:

    Certainly Oregon fans cannot be that ignorant of history. Huskies have hated Oregon since well before the era we dominated you through. Unlike Oregon we represented the Pac with pride when we ruled. We beat mid-majors (You gotta love Boise State lol) and we won Rose Bowls and a title or two.

    The nation is getting a taste of how Thug U rolls, but we have known about it for a very long time. Want to see football done right? It is about to roll over you and leave your failed bowls in the dust. By 2013 we will take back what is rightfully ours. Like it or not you had your chances and your window is closing fast.

    We have lost a few to you, but then we don’t pay 25k for recruits who end up ditching us because God told them to either lol. We leave that to thugs.

  11. Scudderfan says:

    Wizardhawk -

    Pride? Who said I’m proud of the behavior? I just didn’t appreciate your less than stellar presentation of the facts.

    My opinion? DT needs a ride and a license of his own. Then he can be judged on his own merits, not guilty by association.

    As far as your ‘Thug U’ and Rose Bowl comments go, the irony is palpable if you are really a UW fan. I’m pretty sure the last decent Husky team’s rap sheet trumps UO’s recently.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004147443_rboverview27m0.html for those of you unfamiliar with this story. Oh, and Ted Bundy was a Husky.

  12. gtwrek says:

    Auburn provided the blueprint for victory. I don’t see a return trip to the title game.

  13. paberardi says:

    gtwrek – unfortunately for the PAC-12 Nick Fairley-types don’t grow on trees. There are few interior defensive linemen in the PAC-12 this year that can affect the line of scrimmage like Auburn did in the BCS Championship game…that is a tough blueprint to execute.

  14. Bob says:

    Surely USC-UCLA is among the top five western rivalries.

  15. samuraiduck says:

    1917-Wow. We’ve been hearing this drivel since way before the Husky 0-12 drive to perfection a couple years ago. The feeling the Ducks have for the Huskies is mutual. You can tell by the way the Ducks have been making whipping boys out of the Huskies for almost a decade. FACT: the Huskies have never dominated the way the Ducks are dominating you now. The Huskies have never come close to the seven straight years of 20+ point victories the Ducks are killing the Huskies with and I’m sorry but that FACT speaks much louder about who owns who than your inane myopic blather.

    You should have some respect for the team that is beating the absolute sh!t out of you. To not do so only makes your team look smaller.

    BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON, its the only way you can see the little guys.

  16. EP says:

    You don’t lose 60% of your starters off your OL and 75% off your DL and still have the same results. You don’t lose your top 2 WRs and your top two LBs and still have the same results. You don’t have the NCAA setting up shop on campus investigating your coaches, players, and recruiting tactics and still have the same results as the year before.

    Further, will Thomas and LMJ stay healthy and not miss a game between them for the 2nd year in a row? Not likely, especially since the spread option exposes the QB to a lot of hits and LMJ isn’t very big and has carried the ball 524 times over the last two seasons.

    Lastly, Pac-10 teams have been recruiting to stop the novelty of Chip Kelly’s offense as best practices have emerged on how to defend it. For what it’s worth, outside of running up the score on hapless New Mexico (72-0) and FCS team Portland State (69-0), Oregon averaged 38 points per game compared to 47 ppg if you include the blow-outs against awful teams.

  17. scudderfan says:

    EP –

    Starters: see my previous comments about ‘returning starters’ – if there’s a metric for ‘snaps played’ versus starts, I think that would be a much more useful review of returning capabilities.

    NCAA: Ask Auburn how having the violation cloud over their head worked out for them last year…not that I think UO is in it as deep as Miami, UNC, or Auburn.

    Spread QB Injuries: Thomas seemed to do pretty well last year, since we’re not using data but just inventing anecdotes on the fly.

    Recruiting: Kelly’s 3rd year as HC followed by 2 years as OC and the defenses still can’t keep up. I’ll believe it when I see it, and I haven’t seen it for more than 2 consecutive quarters in Pac-10 play.

    PPG: Running up the score? Really? 5th string RBs, walk-ons scoring TDs. You need a better name for the high score than running it up… but your assertion is a good one. Find me another offense that scored more PPG after eliminating the directionals and Furman’s of the world. I’m curious now.

  18. Pixel13 says:

    @ scudderfan:”… defenses still can’t keep up. I’ll believe it when I see it, and I haven’t seen it for more than 2 consecutive quarters in Pac-10 play.”

    Guess you didn’t watch last year’s Cal game.

  19. EP says:

    Fair points scudderfan and let me address them since I am a big fan of Pac-12 football and follow it closely.

    Starters: every team has back-ups who play and while Oregon likely has back-ups who play more, there’s a reason why every team’s back-ups are the back-ups. Oregon lost 3 out of its 4 starting DL and those 3 were their 3 best. Terrell Turner is just ok and no matter how many snaps Hanna or Dion Jordan played, they aren’t nearly as good as Kenny Rowe. Same goes whoever replaces Brandon Bair and his amazing penchant for batting down balls. As for the OL, only Weems really fits what you’re saying since Grasu redshirted last year and thus didn’t play a snap and I don’t recall seeing former walk-on Galpashin very much at all. The back-up LBs did have a good amount of snaps played so the drop-off from Matthews and Paysinger won’t be as steep, I will give you that.

    NCAA: the Auburn investigation only came around towards the 2nd half of the season and focused largely on one player. The Willie Lyles investigation focuses Oregon players from Texas and has been a constant focus from March and will continue through the season. Instead of focusing solely on one player, it’s a program-wide investigation and there’s no way to slice it, it’s not a good thing.

    Spread QB injuries: last year was the first time since Kelly joined the Oregon program that a QB of his didn’t miss a game with injury. Kellen Clemens, Dennis Dixon, and Nate Costa all suffered season ending injuries and even thickly built Masoli missed a game in 2009. So Thomas lasting the whole season last year was the exception and not the norm.

    Recruiting: Kelly became OC in 2007 so Pac-10 teams so far have had the 2008, 2009, and 2010 classes to counter his unique offense. The 2011 classes will be freshmen this year but as each year passes, Pac-10 teams are molding their rosters to stop the league’s highest scoring offense. Kelly should take it as a compliment though he should also know that those recruits will mature and the novelty of his offense wil wear off for defenders as they realize he is running a hurry-up Wing T offense out of the shotgun and staffs get better at practicing for it.

    PPG: Sure, many other schools play cream-puffs..but not many play 2 cream-puffs in a row and average 70.5 points against them for 15.38% of their total games. While I think Oregon’s offense will good again this year, there’s little doubt that it won’t average 63 ppg in its OOC games to start the season again.

  20. Gotham Gator says:

    Oregon’s offense is exciting, effective and fun to watch. It has one big drawback, however, and it is what will prevent Oregon, or any team employing a hurry-up strategy from winning a national championship. Given enough time to prepare for it, teams can successully defend against this offense.

    One thing that contributes greatly to the effectiveness of the hurry-up offense is that defenses can’t properly prepare for it in only a week’s time. This lack of preparation can cause them to be confused and out of position during many plays, and once a defense becomes confused and are knocked on its heels, the tempo can make this confusion worse and cause things to spiral out of control.

    But, given several weeks to prepare, a defense can be ready for the tempo, won’t be subject to confusion and won’t have problems compound because plays are being run so quickly.

    In the 2008 BCS Game, Florida held Oklahoma’s incredible offense to 14 points and rarely let the Sooners run plays off quickly. Fox’s clever graphic showing time elapsed between plays was hardly used. Auburn had similar success against a different OU last year.

  21. Scooter says:

    Oregon under Kelly has become GaTech West. They’ll continue to win a lot of conference games because their gimmick offense is tough to prepare for in one week. But give a good team a month to prepare and it’s a different story (see Boise State, Ohio State and Auburn).

  22. EP says:

    Gotham Gater, how did Florida rarely let the Sooners run plays off quickly?

    Lots of starters on Pac-10 teams have now seen the hurry up multiple years and so have the staffs so they are better prepared once the week of preparation hits. Also, it wouldn’t surprise me if Pac-10 teams begin to specifically schedule in byes (if possible) before they face Oregon so that they have two weeks to prepare rather than one.

  23. samuraiduck says:

    Scooter says: Oregon under Kelly has become GaTech West. Hmmm. When did Georgia Tech play for the National Title? And please explain why Oregon runs a “gimmick” offense. 48 FBS teams now run the spread offense and that number is getting higher, not lower. Still sound like a gimmick? 9 FBS teams run the spread option, including Oregon, Florida, Mississippi State, West Virginia and Michigan (last year). So you see, Oregon isn’t the only team running this offense, they just run it faster and more effectively than most, which seems to be your point about it being a gimmick. Really? The pace at which Oregon runs the zone read option is gimmicky? Oregon conditions all off-season to achieve the kind of speed and endurance necessary to play at the pace they do (on offense AND defense). The object is to run the other team into the ground, see 4th quarter scoring in 2010. Does being in superior physical condition constitute a gimmick? Sorry, “gimmick” as a descriptor for Oregon’s offense just sounds ignorant.

    Oh, and Georgia Tech runs a triple option spread.

  24. 1917 says:

    lol scudder. That’s all you got? Some article about a time no Husky was happy with their program and ted bundy? Really? Are you THAT desperate?

    When Sark has his seniors we will see who has the better work ethic. You aren’t talking about our kids in trouble because we don’t have our starters in trouble. You won’t find our QB passed out in the back seat of a car.

    Enjoy this year and possibly next because your run is fast closing.

  25. BobJ says:

    Readers might have noticed somewhat of a rivalry between Oregon and Washington in these comments. Before every home game in Eugene, the Ducks show on their Jumbotron the Kenny Wheaton interception in 1994 which he ran back 90+ yards to DESTROY #9 Washington’s chances of going to the Rose Bowl and sending Oregon there instead. Watching that play again and again is just another reason to live.

    I’m not looking for Oregon to get back to the title game. Not that they can’t get there, but there are too many variables. Last year it just happened. The LSU game is title-ish; there isn’t another one like it all year. Kudos to both teams for scheduling each other, and right off the mark.

    Yes, Oregon lost some star players, but so does everybody else every year. What you get are surprises when last year’s back-ups show they’re just as good as the guy who is gone. That will happen in a few spots. Oregon has so much depth, and rotated so many players on both sides of the ball last year, I’m not worried about the trench positions.

    Nor am I worried about other teams finally figuring out the Oregon spread. It’s not what the Ducks do, it’s how they do it. Most of the teams Oregon played last year stayed close in the first half, but the second-half scoring differential was crazy, because the other team ran out of gas. Being prepared on paper for the Oregon spread doesn’t help you if you’re sucking wind by the third quarter.

    The only thing that can really stop this team is an injury to Darron Thomas, just like the Dennis Dixon team in 2007. In previous seasons, Oregon has always had a quality backup at QB. This year, no.

  26. Andy says:

    Pick up a Paper, LSU QB is out. Posted this a few hours early me-thinks

  27. 1917 says:

    Does that jumbotron also show that Oregon failed yet again to win another Rose bowl game? Your days are numbered so if you don’t want to reach 100 years without one I’d get busy now. But then Thugs fail in January don’t they?

  28. Eksynyt says:

    Yes 1917. Just like we failed in 2001 when we won the PAC outright and won the Fiesta Bowl. Or that we are the only PAC team to ever go a perfect 9-0 in conference. Or that we have owned you for 7 straight years. Get over it, we’re better than you.

  29. BobJ says:

    See “The Pick” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbs00B7fqJU

    This play turned the Oregon football program around and set it on the course it follows today. I can think of no other one play that has such an impact on a sports program.

    Since and including that game, Oregon is 12-3 against Washington.

  30. 1917 says:

    When you measure your success only in terms of a record against another conference foe and not in titles and bowl wins it says volumes about where your team is.

    Call me when you get a title… If any of us are alive to see it.

    Until then enjoy your thugs. Your days are numbered.

  31. Burnt Orange says:

    @ BobJ – great post but it reminded me of a very different kind of moment for my team. In January, 1984, Texas fumbled away a national championship when Craig Curry inexplicably was sent back to field a Georgia punt in the closing minutes when Georgia’s only chance to win the game was a fumbled Texas punt. Georgia was out of timeouts and my generation had grown up watching Darrell Royal and Frank Broyles not put anyone back in those situations. We saw it coming and were screaming before,during, and after it happened. That play set the program back 15 years.

    I did enjoy seeing those old Duck uniforms- that was a solid classy look that it missed.

    Also, the video you posted reminded me of how great your team’s uniforms used to be – loved those unis.

  32. Burnt Orange says:

    To heck with this little IPad- me typing on this is like a gorilla trying to perform eye surgery.

  33. Wizardhawk says:

    Bah ha ha ha ha! LSU pwned

  34. gtwrek says:

    Like I said. Auburn gave everyone the blueprint. Game over Oregon.

  35. Ah hahaha says:

    Eight straight over Uw, back-to-back-to-back conference titles, and Rose Bowl champs. Are you not entertained?

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